Thursday 3 July 2008

Freedom Freedom




You can't think your way to freedom. It is already there before you think.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

these are great quotes..and useless ones...!

the road may be there even before i think...ok...but that does not get me on it.

Winterpoodles said...

Someone said the great mantra is 'hopeless, helpless and meaningless'. That certainly brings one back to space one on the board. A point of 'useless' is a great starter.

You say "the road may be there even before i think...ok...but that does not get me on it."

The fact of the matter is 'me' can never get on it. What you are is already on it. St Francis said something along the lines of "That which we are looking for is that which looks"

Love and light to you.

Anonymous said...

Ok, i read it and re-read it and i meditated on it. the i stood on my head with it, but im still not there.

Publish it in the newspapers and all who read it will still live like dogs and die like dogs and come back here again.

I think its time you must admit to yourself, you arent getting liberated in this lifetime..

Ask yourself this...how will you know that you have been saved? how will you know that you have attained what the hindus call moksha, what the muslims call jannat? How will you know?

And tell me my good man, what authority do you have that you disregard all religions, all scriptures? With what authority do YOU decide that all the great incarnations were bogus?

How do YOU decide that st francis
(peace be upon him) is the only one worth listening to and not shri Krishna (bhagvad gita)...

ifi am already there, if the road exists even before i think of it, then logically, i need look for nothing. I can carry on living the same way, chase skirts, molest a few kids, drop into your house and steal from your momma...right? heck, the road is already there...lets party!

Roushka said...

Rudra will never be liberated or saved, achieve Moksha or Jannat in this lifetime or any other. For Rudra to be truly free he must dissolve.

The only authority he answers to is himself, his own enquiries. Everything else is second hand knowledge and when it comes to authentication who is the best authority on your life? Who is the world's leading expert on your journey?

Be brave and accept that all those who went before were just as you are. Those that dissolved into Freedom can certainly be an inspiration but also, as we see in religions, a trap. Gautama Buddha's last words were to the effect 'work out your own salvation with diligence'.

Surprisingly there is no seeming desire to go out and cause mayhem and murder. The relaxation from the egoic itch sees to that. Chasing money, skirt and intoxication are pale imitations of the joy of the river of life.

chaiwallah said...

Maybe it all comes down to left brain/right brain perception. Anonymous would do well to check out Jill Bolte Taylor talking on TED (Google for her Youtube link, or read her book, "My Stroke of Insight.")

Quote:if i am already there, if the road exists even before i think of it, then logically, i need look for nothing. I can carry on living the same way, chase skirts, molest a few kids, drop into your house and steal from your momma...right? heck, the road is already there...lets party!End quote.

If I am already there, "logically" ceases to apply. This is recognisable experientially. Experience loses its "hooks". That which arises continues to arise (including parties, rape, theft, sexual abuse, bliss, shopping, thought, emotions, beliefs) but the arising is seen for what it is, itself, not a projection, nor a source of identification of some putative perceiver.

As the late great Nyingma lama, Khabhutsel Rimpoche so often said," Your original face still comes with an arsehole which needs to be wiped."